Comments on: Ridiculous Display In Nashville http://dennis-kane.com/ridiculous-display-in-nashville/ Rated By My Wife As The Best Site In The World Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:11:38 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Ryan McCarthy http://dennis-kane.com/ridiculous-display-in-nashville/comment-page-1/#comment-8299 Ryan McCarthy Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:21:56 +0000 http://dennis-kane.com/?p=9340#comment-8299 My comment in regards to the coach may actually have had to do with a lack of leadership as Mayo pointed out as of now I guess Martin is the leader but the players need a rep to step up, I hope Gainey and Martin will come to that conclusion before trades are made. My comment in regards to the coach may actually have had to do with a lack of leadership as Mayo pointed out as of now I guess Martin is the leader but the players need a rep to step up, I hope Gainey and Martin will come to that conclusion before trades are made.

]]> By: Mayo http://dennis-kane.com/ridiculous-display-in-nashville/comment-page-1/#comment-8288 Mayo Mon, 16 Nov 2009 05:38:24 +0000 http://dennis-kane.com/?p=9340#comment-8288 Andre, good points. I'll give you that. As a fan I get too emotional and carried away. The part that pisses me off was 3-4 years ago when all the ananlysts were saying mtl had a very bright future because gainey and timmins did such a great job. And I agreed when you looked at all the young talent that was supposed to develop. lapierre, latendresse, pacioretty, price, etc. What happened? Are we pushing these guys too fast? We're doing something wrong. Has to be a lack of leadership, leadership koivu and kovy were supposed to provide. I think we needed/need someone like a shanahan (too old right now) but someoen who gains instant respect the moment he steps into the dressing room. we're lacking this. I know it is still early for playoff talk. Hopefuly 10 more games will help martin get the game he wants. No matter what will stick with the habs. Andre, good points. I’ll give you that. As a fan I get too emotional and carried away. The part that pisses me off was 3-4 years ago when all the ananlysts were saying mtl had a very bright future because gainey and timmins did such a great job. And I agreed when you looked at all the young talent that was supposed to develop. lapierre, latendresse, pacioretty, price, etc. What happened? Are we pushing these guys too fast? We’re doing something wrong. Has to be a lack of leadership, leadership koivu and kovy were supposed to provide. I think we needed/need someone like a shanahan (too old right now) but someoen who gains instant respect the moment he steps into the dressing room. we’re lacking this. I know it is still early for playoff talk. Hopefuly 10 more games will help martin get the game he wants. No matter what will stick with the habs.

]]> By: Dennis Kane http://dennis-kane.com/ridiculous-display-in-nashville/comment-page-1/#comment-8275 Dennis Kane Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:49:45 +0000 http://dennis-kane.com/?p=9340#comment-8275 I agree with 31 too, but one thing has me confused about what she said. If Pacioretty has a nagging should injury, why is he playing with the big club? Shouldn't he be in Hamilton letting it heal better? It's not as if he's absolutely crucial to have in the big club's lineup right now. I agree with 31 too, but one thing has me confused about what she said. If Pacioretty has a nagging should injury, why is he playing with the big club? Shouldn’t he be in Hamilton letting it heal better? It’s not as if he’s absolutely crucial to have in the big club’s lineup right now.

]]> By: Andre http://dennis-kane.com/ridiculous-display-in-nashville/comment-page-1/#comment-8273 Andre Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:31:29 +0000 http://dennis-kane.com/?p=9340#comment-8273 Oh yeah and one last thing, I wish that they would bring Neilson up. We all know that we are somewhat lacking in the physical department so to speak. I would love to see the fourth line with Metropolit, Moen and Neilson. Of course, playing for the Habs they could all easily graduate to the second line within a couple of games (ouch !!!) Oh yeah and one last thing, I wish that they would bring Neilson up. We all know that we are somewhat lacking in the physical department so to speak. I would love to see the fourth line with Metropolit, Moen and Neilson. Of course, playing for the Habs they could all easily graduate to the second line within a couple of games (ouch !!!)

]]> By: Andre http://dennis-kane.com/ridiculous-display-in-nashville/comment-page-1/#comment-8272 Andre Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:23:40 +0000 http://dennis-kane.com/?p=9340#comment-8272 To me it all boils down to players development. Alot of people are screaming blue murder at Timmins from the choices that he has made (or suggested, take your pick). Can anyone be foolish enough to believe that if Anze Kopitar would have been the habs pick instead of Carey Price, that he would have been the player that he has become in LA. I am pretty sure that the same thing could be said about Carter and or Richards instead of Kostitsyn. Until this year, the habs had a terrible time in players development and I sincerely hope that Boucher in Hamilton and Martin will eventually turn things around. Both of them are bona fide professional coaches with lots of experience who excelled in players development. Unfortunately, what is going on this year should have happened on the first year of Gainey's 5 years plan. As have been noticed this year compared to the last few is that if the players do not want to work during a game, they are called in for a nice/hard practice the next day as it was the case this morning. No bowling with JM. To me it all boils down to players development. Alot of people are screaming blue murder at Timmins from the choices that he has made (or suggested, take your pick). Can anyone be foolish enough to believe that if Anze Kopitar would have been the habs pick instead of Carey Price, that he would have been the player that he has become in LA. I am pretty sure that the same thing could be said about Carter and or Richards instead of Kostitsyn. Until this year, the habs had a terrible time in players development and I sincerely hope that Boucher in Hamilton and Martin will eventually turn things around. Both of them are bona fide professional coaches with lots of experience who excelled in players development. Unfortunately, what is going on this year should have happened on the first year of Gainey’s 5 years plan.

As have been noticed this year compared to the last few is that if the players do not want to work during a game, they are called in for a nice/hard practice the next day as it was the case this morning. No bowling with JM.

]]> By: Yves http://dennis-kane.com/ridiculous-display-in-nashville/comment-page-1/#comment-8270 Yves Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:44:49 +0000 http://dennis-kane.com/?p=9340#comment-8270 Mayo: If anything less then a cup is the standard then we may not get a winner and may well face the same fate in a few years. How long do we wait with that standard and how do the inevitable factors weigh in... such as major injuries, slumps, player development failures...etc. They'll all happen again, to any GM. There are many GMs and coachs who have been in their positions for multiple years without winning a cup. Some of these guys have also seen the team go through the ups and downs during their tenure. Think of Lindy Ruff... he's been through it all in Buffalo. But he's there because he's managed his players well and is a good coach. Gainey quickly changed the face of this team. Good or bad, we'll see as it plays out but so far we're only a few months into this new team. But we knew a few things about the team prior to the moves... the team needed new character, the core was getting old fast... they didn't stand up for themselves... They're younger and don't back down. They have of course played a few bad games... like the terrible performance last night. I think it's important to have the mark with which we use to judge success at a sober mark and not influenced by the ups and downs of a teams performance a few months in. Gainey has been here for a while. Yes. And he's had time to build something. When the stars aligned a couple of years back he had us thinking it just might happen. In the last couple of years, he's gone from being regarded as great to "fire the bum".... There's been successes and failures. My opinion is that we don't need to fire him now as this is his team more so than the previous team was and we're only a few months in with some positive and some negative results. I think that it's fairly normal given all the changes and injuries. I think the owners will evaluate him. That's a given. Everyone should be under evaluation every year. My point in this rant.... How do you evaluate his performance? Wins and Losses? If mesured by Wins and losses as GM.... MTL 2003–04 41W 30L 7T 4OTL MTL 2004–05 Season cancelled due to 2004–05 NHL lockout MTL 2005–06 42W 31L — 9OTL MTL 2006–07 42W 34L — 6OTL MTL 2007–08 47W 25L — 10OTL MTL 2008–09 41W 30L — 11OTL Wins: 213 Losses: 150 Ties: 7 Overtime Losses: 40 Adding up overtime losses and losses = 190 213 wins / 190 total losses That's the team with the old core of players we no longer have. So far we're just under .500 with a new team, new coaching with significant injuries. I don't think he's done to bad. 2 things however I believe need some major addressing.. pro scouting (looking at some of our trades over those years) and also developping young players... which I think they've moved on hiring Guy Boucher and co. Anyways.... sorry for the length of this... Mayo:
If anything less then a cup is the standard then we may not get a winner and may well face the same fate in a few years. How long do we wait with that standard and how do the inevitable factors weigh in… such as major injuries, slumps, player development failures…etc.

They’ll all happen again, to any GM.

There are many GMs and coachs who have been in their positions for multiple years without winning a cup. Some of these guys have also seen the team go through the ups and downs during their tenure.

Think of Lindy Ruff… he’s been through it all in Buffalo. But he’s there because he’s managed his players well and is a good coach.

Gainey quickly changed the face of this team. Good or bad, we’ll see as it plays out but so far we’re only a few months into this new team. But we knew a few things about the team prior to the moves… the team needed new character, the core was getting old fast… they didn’t stand up for themselves…

They’re younger and don’t back down. They have of course played a few bad games… like the terrible performance last night.

I think it’s important to have the mark with which we use to judge success at a sober mark and not influenced by the ups and downs of a teams performance a few months in.

Gainey has been here for a while. Yes. And he’s had time to build something. When the stars aligned a couple of years back he had us thinking it just might happen. In the last couple of years, he’s gone from being regarded as great to “fire the bum”….

There’s been successes and failures. My opinion is that we don’t need to fire him now as this is his team more so than the previous team was and we’re only a few months in with some positive and some negative results. I think that it’s fairly normal given all the changes and injuries.

I think the owners will evaluate him. That’s a given.

Everyone should be under evaluation every year.

My point in this rant….

How do you evaluate his performance? Wins and Losses?
If mesured by Wins and losses as GM….

MTL 2003–04 41W 30L 7T 4OTL
MTL 2004–05 Season cancelled due to 2004–05 NHL lockout
MTL 2005–06 42W 31L — 9OTL
MTL 2006–07 42W 34L — 6OTL
MTL 2007–08 47W 25L — 10OTL
MTL 2008–09 41W 30L — 11OTL

Wins: 213
Losses: 150
Ties: 7
Overtime Losses: 40

Adding up overtime losses and losses = 190
213 wins / 190 total losses

That’s the team with the old core of players we no longer have.

So far we’re just under .500 with a new team, new coaching with significant injuries.

I don’t think he’s done to bad. 2 things however I believe need some major addressing.. pro scouting (looking at some of our trades over those years) and also developping young players… which I think they’ve moved on hiring Guy Boucher and co.

Anyways…. sorry for the length of this…

]]> By: Mayo http://dennis-kane.com/ridiculous-display-in-nashville/comment-page-1/#comment-8269 Mayo Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:08:13 +0000 http://dennis-kane.com/?p=9340#comment-8269 I'm not convinced. Gainey has to go imo. I would prefer to conpare him to a winner GM than anything. Money talks and he's getting top dollar paid to manage this team to a cup, anything less is failure. He needs to be evaluated and a decision made by the owners. Just like the players. If they aren't performing, evaluate and send to minors or get highest and best use of their value (trade or otherwise). I understand about injuries and hope laraque gets another chance to prove himself. He is a mountain of a man and his best value was when he fought the giant from Boston. He is at his best at these times. But he needs to get back. I’m not convinced. Gainey has to go imo. I would prefer to conpare him to a winner GM than anything. Money talks and he’s getting top dollar paid to manage this team to a cup, anything less is failure. He needs to be evaluated and a decision made by the owners. Just like the players. If they aren’t performing, evaluate and send to minors or get highest and best use of their value (trade or otherwise). I understand about injuries and hope laraque gets another chance to prove himself. He is a mountain of a man and his best value was when he fought the giant from Boston. He is at his best at these times. But he needs to get back.

]]> By: Yves http://dennis-kane.com/ridiculous-display-in-nashville/comment-page-1/#comment-8268 Yves Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:46:54 +0000 http://dennis-kane.com/?p=9340#comment-8268 Number31. I agree. Number31.

I agree.

]]> By: Number31 http://dennis-kane.com/ridiculous-display-in-nashville/comment-page-1/#comment-8266 Number31 Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:43:40 +0000 http://dennis-kane.com/?p=9340#comment-8266 Patches, like a few others, is playing with a separated shoulder courtesy of one Brooks Orpik from pre-season. However, Guy Boucher will do him a great world of good if he goes to Hamilton. And Sergei is doing great with him too. Laraque is very hurt. Leave the man alone. He wants to be a factor but hasn't realized he really just can't be much of one... It's unfortunate but you can't see into the future how injured guys can be. And if the medical staff missed it, well, maybe there's a reason why they weren't resigned this year? I don't see why Gainey needs to be fired. Please, if Garth Snow still has his job...and he's got a team full of high draft picks now. Our last top 5 draft pick was Carey Price, and it shows (and thank fucking god the Wild picked the useless Benoit Pouliot just before our choice because they wanted him over Price... that, my friends, is called blessed fate). Carey Price doesn't want to give his defence the puck because he knows they can't do anything with it. It's why he prefers to shoot it off the glass and out to center to launch that attack if there is even one to launch. Cammy said it best, it was disappointing they couldn't even must anything to compliment Price's work last night. But hey if Price can play goal and defence, with his 85mph slapshot in goalie gear, he could also wander closer to the blue line and fire shots at the goalie. Bet he'd score just by confusing the other team! One thing would help though: Bell Center peanut gallery needs to stop booing. The Habs already know they're not doing to well. Booing isn't helping. And the idiots who boo Price in warmup need to do us a favour and jump off a bridge. Patches, like a few others, is playing with a separated shoulder courtesy of one Brooks Orpik from pre-season. However, Guy Boucher will do him a great world of good if he goes to Hamilton. And Sergei is doing great with him too.

Laraque is very hurt. Leave the man alone. He wants to be a factor but hasn’t realized he really just can’t be much of one… It’s unfortunate but you can’t see into the future how injured guys can be. And if the medical staff missed it, well, maybe there’s a reason why they weren’t resigned this year?

I don’t see why Gainey needs to be fired. Please, if Garth Snow still has his job…and he’s got a team full of high draft picks now. Our last top 5 draft pick was Carey Price, and it shows (and thank fucking god the Wild picked the useless Benoit Pouliot just before our choice because they wanted him over Price… that, my friends, is called blessed fate).

Carey Price doesn’t want to give his defence the puck because he knows they can’t do anything with it. It’s why he prefers to shoot it off the glass and out to center to launch that attack if there is even one to launch. Cammy said it best, it was disappointing they couldn’t even must anything to compliment Price’s work last night. But hey if Price can play goal and defence, with his 85mph slapshot in goalie gear, he could also wander closer to the blue line and fire shots at the goalie. Bet he’d score just by confusing the other team!

One thing would help though: Bell Center peanut gallery needs to stop booing. The Habs already know they’re not doing to well. Booing isn’t helping. And the idiots who boo Price in warmup need to do us a favour and jump off a bridge.

]]> By: Mayo http://dennis-kane.com/ridiculous-display-in-nashville/comment-page-1/#comment-8265 Mayo Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:20:31 +0000 http://dennis-kane.com/?p=9340#comment-8265 Hi Guys, I'm an ardent fan and have backed Gainey up but that has come to an end. It was exciting to see him come back to montreal but unfortunately he has overstayed. We havve lost too many good UFA's (Souray, Streit, Komi - not so good, Kovy, Koivu, Lang, Tangeauy, the list seems endless. And we didn't get one measly pick back. = bad bad management. Gainey has had enough time, he has to be fired before he makes another bad trade. We definitely need a trade (on D and offense). Fortunately we have somewhat stable goaltending now (both Halak and Price). Awesome to see price of old. I agree with comment that Laraque is a huge disappointment. Cant trade him with his huge contract. No one will touch him so he will need to be bought out. Huge disappoiintment with Lapierre. What gives. He was mzing last year. This year he sucks the big one, La Talentless is awful. Slow, and big for nothing. Probably cant fight either. Bring Bouillion back as he is much better that Bergeron - but he is playing a little better but he looks embarrassing at times. Too sall. Hope management doesn't panic and make a big trade. Get rid of Gainey. When will they start picketing outside the Belle Centre for this? Wake up Hab fans. enough is enough. Hi Guys, I’m an ardent fan and have backed Gainey up but that has come to an end. It was exciting to see him come back to montreal but unfortunately he has overstayed. We havve lost too many good UFA’s (Souray, Streit, Komi – not so good, Kovy, Koivu, Lang, Tangeauy, the list seems endless. And we didn’t get one measly pick back. = bad bad management. Gainey has had enough time, he has to be fired before he makes another bad trade. We definitely need a trade (on D and offense). Fortunately we have somewhat stable goaltending now (both Halak and Price). Awesome to see price of old. I agree with comment that Laraque is a huge disappointment. Cant trade him with his huge contract. No one will touch him so he will need to be bought out. Huge disappoiintment with Lapierre. What gives. He was mzing last year. This year he sucks the big one, La Talentless is awful. Slow, and big for nothing. Probably cant fight either. Bring Bouillion back as he is much better that Bergeron – but he is playing a little better but he looks embarrassing at times. Too sall. Hope management doesn’t panic and make a big trade. Get rid of Gainey. When will they start picketing outside the Belle Centre for this? Wake up Hab fans. enough is enough.

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