Avtsin Wants To Make Some Noise

Is it possible Pierre Gauthier has had this up his sleeve for awhile now and is ready to introduce the Montreal Canadiens’ secret weapon? Maybe we don’t need a high-priced free agent like Ilya Kovalchuk and the likes rolling into town and eating up crucial cap dollars.

Maybe Alexander Avtsin will put great big smiles on our faces.

Avtsin, property of the Habs, is 19 years old, a real nice 6’3, 198 lbs, and has been patrolling right wing for Dynamo Moscow of the KHL lately. The young fellow, (and this already puts a smile on my face) has broken his contract with Dynamo because he feels he can win a spot with the Habs this year, so he’ll be lacing up his skates in Montreal (Brossard) on Tuesday during the development camp.

There’s nothing like a big, strong, talented rookie surprising everyone, making the team, and raising eyebrows in the hockey world. It’s the stuff of legends. It’s what Scott Young used to write about in his kids hockey books, except for the part about Russian players.

Let’s hope Avtsin dazzles at Brossard and the team has no choice but to give him a spot on the big club. Henri Richard wasn’t supposed to make the club either in 1955 and was pencilled in to a minor league slot. Except during training camp no one could get the puck off him and he showed he was tough as nails against bigger guys, so he left the team no choice but to sign him and the rest is history. (Of course I’m not comparing Avtsin to the great Pocket Rocket. Only the possible surprise at camp).

Avtsin might be so sensational between Tuesday and October 7th that he’ll also leave the team with no choice, just like the Pocket Rocket did so many years ago.

Something to hope for in Habs universe.

40 thoughts on “Avtsin Wants To Make Some Noise”

  1. I also like Avtsin’s looks Dennis – especially since this is shaping up to be the year that the Habs intend to see if anyone actually even fulfills their lauded potential (I’m looking at you Pouliot and AK). I do think that it’s a bit of a stretch tho to compare him to Richard, and frankly I do not like the Habs’ recent history of rushing their young players up to the big club to plug holes. It seems to hinder their development (ie. Carey Price). I’m also not a big fan of JM’s ability to mold our young players.

    I’d really rather he spent a season with the bulldogs. He’s only 19 and if he works on things there, chances are good he’d get a spot in the 2011-2012 season, when the Habs will have more money for a deeper FA market, and a young squad with a year of experience under their belts. They’ll have a much better shot of making a legitimate Cup run that way.

  2. Tyg, I wasn’t comparing him to Richard, only that they’re the same in that both come to camp not expected to make the big club and Henri surprised and maybe Avtsin can too. That’s all. Of course I would never compare an unknown to the Pocket Rocket. I dunno, I thought it was obvious.

  3. Hey if he just shows up in Hamilton I’ll be thrilled. Losing P.K. is a big blow for those of us who watch the Bulldogs and we have to wait at least another year for Leblanc and Kristo.

    Avtsin’s profile reads as everything the Canadiens need for the future, his coming over now is great news for the team’s future. By 12-13 Tinordi, Subban, Leblanc and Avtsin could be part of a very exciting youth core.

  4. And Robert, at least he gives us a little hope after such a dismal past week or so. I think I need to pay a little attention to the Bulldogs. I bet they’re fun to watch.

  5. They’re fun to watch when they’re winning, I was 5-1-0 with the Bulldogs when I saw games this year. It’s good quality hockey when you only have to pay 25$ a ticket and get good seats.

    I wouldn’t call the past week dismal, but last year’s free agent frenzy stirred everything up so much that this year just feels underwhelming.

  6. Sorry Dennis. My bad. I misunderstood. I still think him making the big club this year is a longshot though. Next season seems much more likely. I should pay more attention to Hamilton too, I guess, but the Habs stress me out enough. I’m not sure I have the chops to root for a secondary team as well.

  7. The best part of this story is that by breaking his KHL contract with the Dynamo, Avstin has demonstrated that he truly wants to play for the Canadiens.
    The guys who actually want to play for the Habs are the rare ones who have heart. They are the ones who love the game and just want to play their best. Guys like that are less likely to have attitude problems and wind up thinking they are bigger than the team.
    That’s why I didn’t mind so much when Dan Ellis left us for Tampa Bay. If a player only signs because of us being forced to pay extra money for them to play here, then it’s not about passion. It’s just a business decision and we don’t need guys like that.
    Players like Avstin and PK Subban hold the key for the Habs because youth combined with reasonably-priced talent are the formula for success in today’s NHL.

  8. It all comes down to the pitiful management by Gainey and Gauthier forcing the Habs to have little cap space at trade deadlines and free agency periods and never did except last July only because they let half the team go that 2 months earlier Gainey defended himself for doing little at the trade deadline said, “I am happy with the roster of this team.” Acquiring huge cap hits by trade or by overpaying for a Laraque or a Hamrlck for 2 examples. These are 2 of the worst and most out of touch GMs in this new salary cap era. So much so that Gainey had kept claiming Habs won’t negotiate with any player during a season because it has been how they always operated! Well that was before the cap and a real GM must look past the end of his nose into the future in today’s game.

    Everything works together and huge part of your cap picture is the players you draft and develop and have on entry level contracts but Gainey and Gauthier have been terrible in drafting. Plus the pair traded away so many first 2 round picks. The two previous years they traded a #1 and a #2 for Tanguay, a #2 for Schneider and a #2 for Lang – 4 high picks for 3 players who only played months for the Habs then were gone. This year the same and gave up a #2 for Moore who it seems is not to be resigned. Plus traded up in the 1st round by giving away this year’s #2.

    These two GMs also traded away #1 Higgins, #1 Komisarek, #2 Ribeiro, #1 Hainsey on a blunder by not knowing they had no more protection for him and lost him as he was claimed by Columbus, #3 Beauchemin left unprotected and was lost – all of them drafted by the previous regime.

    Of their own drafting since 2003 the two GMs traded away #2 Latendresse, will lose #1 Fischer who they never signed and traded away #1 Ryan McDonagh(7th overall).

    Check the lists below:

    Players on 2009-2010 Canadiens playoff team drafted by Gainey/Gauthier
    2003 – There are only 5 players on the team of that final game who the pair drafted since 2003 who are still on this team. And 2 of them weren’t considered good enough to even play in that important game.

    Andrei Kostsitsyn
    Maxim Lapierre
    Ryan O’Byrne*
    Jaroslav Halak NOW TRADED
    2004
    None
    2005
    Carey Price*
    Sergei Kostitsyn NOW TRADED
    2006
    None
    2007
    P.K. Subban
    2008 and 2009
    None

    *Did not play in game 5 vs. Philadelphia

    2003 NHL Draft
    1st Round
    10 Andrei Kostitsyn (Right Wing)
    11 Jeff Carter (Centre)
    14 Brent Seabrook (Defence)
    17 Zach Parise (Centre)
    19 Ryan Getzlaf (Centre)
    24 Mike Richards (Centre)

    2nd Round
    40 Cory Urquhart (Centre) Canadiens
    45 Patrice Bergeron (Centre) Bruins
    47 Matt Carle (Defence) Sharks
    49 Shea Weber (Defence) Predators

    2006 NHL Draft
    1st Round
    20 Canadiens David Fischer D Apple Valley H.S. (Minn)
    22 Flyers Claude Giroux

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/rangers/mcdonagh_set_to_wear_blueshirt_useWsM1OiErYguEowAugxM

  9. Bill, an extremely interesting commentary and critique of what’s gone on in Montreal lately. It’s true, they never seem to have a lot of cap space at deadlines and when they did, as in the case of Scott Gomez, overpaid him so dearly. And what really hits home is your 2003 draft selection listings. I know this can be a crap shoot, but in hindsight, choosing Andrei Kostitsyn ahead of those other first-rounders is amazing. If Kostitsyn was so good then, what the hell happened to him? However, getting rid of Higgins, Komisarek and Ribeiro made me extremely happy because I didn’t think they were getting the job done at all – Ribiero was a whining little prick, Komisarek beat a path to the penalty box with all his silly and ill-timed penalties, and Higgins was simply a huge underachiever. Picking up Tanguay was a terrible move, and Schneider and Lang were fine but were there for a very short time only. Although Lang suffered a terrible injury and that may have changed the team’s way of thinking about him. Maybe if he would have stayed healthy and continued to produce like he was, they may have kept him.
    In general, what you say has great merit and I can see you’re not happy with things right now, as I am too. Actually, I’m quite upset about the way things have transpired. I feel, and I hope I’m wrong, that we’ve regressed.
    Thanks a lot for such great comments.

  10. And even how about this?

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    “Montreal Canadiens traded up in Friday’s NHL draft to select defenceman Jarred Tinordi

    with the 22nd pick, dealt the 27th and 57th selections to the Phoenix Coyotes for the

    pick they used on Tinordi. Montreal also got the 113th pick as part of the deal.”

    Using the NFL Draft 7 round trade value chart and moving each of Phoenix and Montreal

    BACK ONE PICK in each round from 22 to 23 and from 27 to 28(ex-in the 1st round) as

    there are 32 teams in the NFL as opposed to 30 in the NHL.

    Phoenix’s
    1st round pick worth 760 points
    5th round pick worth 31 points
    Total of 791 points

    Montreal gave up for this 791 point value
    1st round pick worth 660 points
    2nd round pick worth 300 points
    Total of 960 points

    These 2 GMs are total incompetants.


    NFL DRAFT TRADE VALUE CHART
    P# Rnd1 Rnd2 Rnd3 Rnd4 Rnd5 Rnd6 Rnd7
    01 3000 0580 0265 0112 0043 0027 0014
    02 2600 0560 0260 0108 0042 0027 0014
    03 2200 0550 0255 0104 0041 0026 0013
    04 1800 0540 0250 0100 0040 0026 0013
    05 1700 0530 0245 0096 0040 0025 0013
    06 1600 0520 0240 0092 0039 0025 0012
    07 1500 0510 0235 0088 0039 0025 0012
    08 1400 0500 0230 0086 0038 0024 0011
    09 1350 0490 0225 0084 0038 0024 0011
    10 1300 0480 0220 0082 0037 0023 0011
    11 1250 0470 0215 0080 0037 0023 0010
    12 1200 0460 0210 0078 0036 0023 0010
    13 1150 0450 0205 0076 0036 0022 0009
    14 1100 0440 0200 0074 0035 0022 0009
    15 1050 0430 0195 0072 0035 0021 0009
    16 1000 0420 0190 0070 0034 0021 0008
    17 0950 0410 0180 0066 0033 0020 0007
    19 0875 0390 0175 0064 0033 0020 0007
    20 0850 0380 0170 0062 0032 0019 0007
    21 0800 0370 0165 0060 0032 0019 0006
    22 0780 0360 0160 0058 0031 0019 0006
    23 0760 0350 0155 0056 0031 0018 0005
    24 0740 0340 0150 0054 0031 0018 0005
    25 0720 0330 0145 0052 0030 0017 0005
    26 0700 0320 0140 0050 0020 0017 0004
    27 0680 0310 0136 0049 0029 0017 0004
    28 0660 0300 0132 0048 0029 0016 0003
    29 0640 0292 0128 0047 0029 0016 0003
    30 0620 0284 0124 0046 0028 0015 0003
    31 0600 0276 0120 0045 0028 0015 0002
    32 0590 0270 0116 0044 0027 0015 0002

  11. Dennis

    Always enjoy your posts. Thanks.

    I see the guy with the ‘Gainey and Gauthier are two worst GM’s in the league’ made it here as well – have seen all his stuff posted on another website. Oh well. Unfortunately for him and others like him the only results that matter – where the team finishes in the Stanley Cup play-offs – don’t support his case.

    Last three years, the Habs have gone to the second round, first round and third round. I think this is what management is focused on – making the playoffs every year and then seeing what happens. Seeing if lightning can strike – lo and behold it almost did this year. When it became clear that the team Gainey assembled wasn’t going to keep getting better he gutted it and sure enough we had a better finish.

    I am genuinely surprised at the negativity I am reading about the Habs lately and you seem to have gotten a bit of the bug. I am very optimistic we are in for a good year. Could be dead wrong of course, but liked last year’s team – felt injuries prevented it from being better than it could have been – and feel we have gotten better. I know Auld is not Halak but also feel this situation will be more settled for all involved.

    Hope you cheer up. It’s all good.

  12. Thank, Vince. I do have a bit of the negativeity bug right now but I can cheer up in fine fashion if I see some good stuff from the team. I’m mostly worried about the goaltending situation. We don’t know at all if Carey Price is ready to rock, and if he’s not, we’re in big trouble. The fellow who dislikes Gauthier and Gainey has some good facts and figures to back him up, but I’m more flexible than that. I’m willing to wait and see, but so far, nothing’s been done in this off-season to make me overly-excited. I want to be optimistic too and usually I am, and I hope folks don’t think I’m a negative cat. I’m not at all. I’m just really concerned about our goaltending and I knew of course that we couldn’t keep both Halak and Price but I was expecting more than Auld. But maybe he can mentor Price a little and that might help. Thanks for this and hope to hear from you again soon.

  13. I found this to be a really interesting post which kind of counters a lot of the negativity we hear about Bob Gainey.

    It’s from a guy called Max-a-million who posted on H I/O
    The first set of tables compares Gainey’s success from when he started with the Habs (03-04) and the second set is a comparison for the last three seasons with all other NHL clubs.

    Some will surely disagree but all in all, given what he had to work with, I think the man didn’t do too bad a job at all…

    Below is Max-a-million’s comment:

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    Submitted by Max_a_million on Fri, 07/02/2010 – 18:54.

    How do the Canadiens stack up in the Gainey era against the rest of the NHL.

    Many people liked something like this I did for the Eastern Conference over the last 3 years that showed the Habs were actually the third best team in the time period. Here is the NHL since Gainey became GM

    The number are # of playoff appearances, # of playoff series wins, # of best records in conference

    * DET: 6-11-4
    * SJS: 6-7-2
    * NJD: 6-2
    * PHI: 5-7
    * MON: 5-4-1
    * OTT: 5-4-1
    * COL: 5-3
    * CAL: 5-3
    * NAS: 5-0
    * PIT: 4-8
    * ANA: 4-7
    * VAN: 4-3
    * BOS: 4-2-1
    * DAL: 4-2
    * NYR: 4-2
    * BUF: 3-4-1
    * TAM: 3-4-1
    * WAS: 3-1-1
    * CHI: 2-6
    * CAR: 2-6
    * STL: 2-0
    * MIN: 2-0
    * NYI: 2-0
    * EDM: 1-3
    * TOR: 1-1
    * PHO: 1-0
    * LAK: 1-0
    * ATL: 1-0
    * CLM: 0-0
    * FLA: 0-0

    So when it comes to playoff appearances in the Bob Gainey era we are tied for fourth with 5. When it comes to playoff series won we are tied for 8th with 4. When it comes to having the best record in our conference we are one of eight teams to have done so. When you combine these we can be no lower than eighth, and if you look at it we are probably about the 5th – 7th best team in this time period.

    Over the past 3 years:

    * DET: 3-8-1
    * PIT: 3-8
    * PHI: 3-5
    * SJS: 3-3-2
    * MON: 3-3-1
    * BOS: 3-2-1
    * WAS: 3-1-1
    * COL: 3-1
    * NJD: 3-0
    * CHI: 2-6
    * VAN: 2-2
    * ANA: 2-1
    * NYR: 2-1
    * OTT: 2-0
    * CAL: 2-0
    * NAS: 2-0
    * CAR: 1-2
    * DAL: 1-2
    * BUF: 1-0
    * STL: 1-0
    * MIN: 1-0
    * PHO: 1-0
    * LAK: 1-0
    * TAM: 0-0
    * EDM: 0-0
    * TOR: 0-0
    * NYI: 0-0
    * ATL: 0-0
    * COL: 0-0
    * FLA: 0-0

    IN the past 3 years when Bob had more of a chance to implement his 5 year plan the negative nancies love to bash we look pretty clearly like the 5th best team in the league. Tied for first in playoff appearance, tied for 5th in playoff series won, one of 5 teams to have had the best record in their conference. Time to cut out the Gainey bashing, he is our Captain and he has given us a great an exciting team when he was given a piece of crap team that had been to the playoffs once in 5 years before he arrived. No it’s not the Flying Frenchman, but it was a great job of making a solid team.

  14. Dennis

    Thanks for responding.

    If Price and Auld don’t work out, management will make a change. I just don’t see that combo being so bad that by Christmas we are out of the play-off picture. Unless the whole team just sucks.

    So you use the first three months to see how it’s working out and you make a change if it isn’t. Just like they did this year when Halak supplemented Price. The good news is that with so many un-claimed and good quality goalies floating around, your options for reaching outside your club for help are better than ever. So even the worst-case scenario has options.

    Every problem this team faces is manageable from my perspective. And you can’t say management has not been decisive in making hard decisions. I am not concerned about the personnel at all. The only thing that will hurt are more than our fair share of injuries.

    Just my thoughts.

  15. Danno

    Thanks for this. Supports my view of Gainey and the club.

    I did not have the patience or talent to dig this info up but was not surprised that the picture looks like this.

  16. Danno:

    You are as wrong about me being max a million or whoever said what you posted as you are wrong about the job gainey did here for 7 years now. argue any the points i posted if you can. it is what it is. for any team this is not success finishing with 88 points. carried there and beyond on top of it by a goalie they never respected and now sent away. first time they ever won a 2nd round series here in 7 years actually 17 years. would the yankees or their be satisfied if they lost in the world series?gauthier/gainey are not bolstering this team for next year while all those around them in the east are? they wont even make the playoffs this year. it is hard enuff for a champion to repeat the intensity and desire the next year even tougher for a team who has so many missing parts.

  17. Vince, I have to admit you’ve kind of brought me out of my doldrums a little and often I try to use the power of positive thinking and I’m going to start again. And all these terrific facts and figures flying about from others are fantastic and if I was smart enough to decipher them I’d say they show the Habs have done okay. Thanks to everyone.

  18. @vince

    Last three years, the Habs have gone to the second round, first round and third round.

    ============

    but as most of similar hab fans to you, the flyers are losers! the sharks are chokers! etc. get your biased glasses off once in awhile.

  19. @ vince or danno

    Those numbers above that I posted are what NFL teams actually use in trading picks in their 7 round draft with a similar amount of teams involved. Gainey and Gauthier were fleeced in the values in that trade. I showed you above in 7 whole years they have a total of 5 players they themselves drafted on this team. 2 of those 5 they didnt think was good enough to play in game 5 vs. philly. obyrnne and price. the other 3 left are kostitsyn, lapierre and subban- the only top line player of the bunch.this is a terrible job of drafting and/or developing – terrible job and not how you build any team. and its so clear that the two of them traded away so many high picks? how can you even argue with this?

  20. You sound pretty biased yourself Bill – just in the opposite direction.

    I’m not arguing with the facts you throw out there… they did trade Halak; they have 5 players on the team they drafted (assume you’re correct there); they finished with 88 points, etc. I just don’t agree with your interpretation of the facts.

    You use the stats to say management has done poorly. I say the team has been in the top 10 of the league over the past 3 years after being well below that for quite a long time. Management has done a good job of turning things around and we are now consistently finishing in the top of the league where it counts – participants in the Stanley Cup playoffs.

    I don’t care one bit where the team finishes in the regular season as long as we regularly make the playoffs with a shot at the cup. You can argue as long as you want about stats, but that is what the team delivered this year. That’s a fact.

    As for comparing the Canadiens to the Yankees – I don’t think that is credible. You can’t compare teams between two leagues where one has a salary cap and the other doesn’t. The Yankees and Red Sox have turned baseball into a joke.

  21. You sound pretty biased yourself Bill – just in the opposite direction.

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    how am i biased? by stating true facts that you want to ignore?

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    I’m not arguing with the facts you throw out there… they did trade Halak; they have 5 players on the team they drafted (assume you’re correct there); they finished with 88 points, etc. I just don’t agree with your interpretation of the facts.

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    clearly shows you that they have done terribly drafting. they just fired half their scouts. like gainey had fired 2 coaches julien and carbo and lever and all his assistants except muller – i guess everyone else is too blame but he didnt do any better as coach either. but as gm? well its everyone elses fault but him.

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    You use the stats to say management has done poorly. I say the team has been in the top 10 of the league over the past 3 years after being well below that for quite a long time. Management has done a good job of turning things around and we are now consistently finishing in the top of the league where it counts – participants in the Stanley Cup playoffs.

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    they tied for 18-19-20 in the reg season went 9-10 in the playoffs won 47% per cent of their games. and halak was sole reason they even did that good. look how poor prices record was with the exact same team in front of him. have drafted poorly as the roster shows. this is not a biased opinion, i want them to do well but what you are doing is butying your head in the sand.

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    I don’t care one bit where the team finishes in the regular season as long as we regularly make the playoffs with a shot at the cup. You can argue as long as you want about stats, but that is what the team delivered this year. That’s a fact.

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    usually getting in as an 8 by the skin of their teeth then out. as i said yankee fans dont just want to make the playoffs in last playoff position. this is not columbus – this was the clas franchise of the league. was!

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    As for comparing the Canadiens to the Yankees – I don’t think that is credible. You can’t compare teams between two leagues where one has a salary cap and the other doesn’t. The Yankees and Red Sox have turned baseball into a joke.

    agree with you on no salary cap has made mlb a farce but i meant in tradition the yanks, the habs and the celtics too were the most respected teams and the other 2 would not be happy with a 47% win season and 7 years whicvh really is 17 basically mediocre years.!

  22. Bill,

    I wasn’t saying you are Maxamillion at all. I was only showing a post by somebody called Maxamillion.

    We can agree to disagree on how successful Bob Gainey was and that’s okay. I was just trying to put out another point of view which I found to be well thought out and was worth considering.

  23. but those numbers he posted are meaningless in the discussion. there are also numbers that showed habs drafting of players percentage was higher most teams. both are out of context to what that infers. wehich is nothing. facts are right there before your eyes. they have not won a 2nd round series until this year since 1993. including last 7 here. they won 47% of their games this year. only won 24 in regulation of 82 all season. and only because of halak this turned out to be the best year of all.

    it is a clique running this team, marinaro this morning said likewise that “everyone saw the french media and fans had turned against gainey so it was best right then for no good reason to switch chairs in the room or hats if that is a better analogy AND EVERYONE KEEPS HIS JOB” which marinaro said if they hired yzerman for example instead would boivin who went to school with gauthier, would he been able to tell yzerman what to do? so to protect the jobs of the hamilton gm brisebois, gauthier, gainey who i am sure has not been cut a dime in pay, their incompetant local university capologist who let them be in this bad cap position every year except when they let half the team leave last year – he saved all their jobs. this team is run by that clique and every fact i posted is proof of their incompetance. that may be my opinion – but those facts prove it.

  24. this is gainey’s draft thinking. when gainey left dallas they immediately traded his UNTALENTED son away – didnt take long and gainey signed his boy for the hamilton team who could have used the spot to train a potential nhl player. this year, gainey/gauthier trades away a #2 round pick to move up 5 spots in the lower 3rd of the 1st round to draft the son of one of his players tinordi. this is who is running this team.

    Steve Gainey was drafted in the THIRD ROUND, 77th overall by the Dallas Stars in the 1997 NHL Entry Draft, by his father, General Manager Bob Gainey. Gainey attended St. Andrew’s College for the 1994–1995 academic year prior to playing for the WHL’s Kamloops Blazers.

    1998-99 Kamloops WHL 15 5 4 9
    1997-98 Kamloops WHL 7 1 7 8

    Drafted in 1997

    1996-97 Kamloops WHL 2 0 0 0
    1995-96 Kamloops WHL 3 0 0 0

  25. Bill, you have great distain for Gainey as a management figure. How did you feel about him as a player and captain? And as a person?

  26. i have great disdain for the entire clique all operating for their own personal benefit NOT THE TEAM that plays hockey. i dont cheer for companies thats why i like watching sports. from boivin who went to school with gauthier, martin who coached under gauthier, timmins who only worked for gauthier and gainey thrown in because hicks suggested him to his partner gillett as he bought the habs, gainey has joined the clique it also includes brisebois who they made hamilton gm and their cap expert who has put the team in this spot. ALL should have been fired when molsons bought the team but deal purposely wasnt closed until season started and then halak and a miracle got them as far as they did. had they missed the [playoffs they made by 1 point – there would have been a complete houscleaning and i ythink it will happen in the next year. everything i said is correct- except a lot of hab fans do not want to hear it. maybe they are happy with being 19th or 8th best? vince lombardi once said “a good loser is still a loser”!

  27. as a player? i thought he was great! one of my favorites. when he was coaching in dallas i told everyone i knew who followed hockey i wish the habs would go out and get him, but thought they’d only hire a francophone. but here after that 2004 trade for kovalev has not been the same gm. as happy as i was when i heard he was signed, i immediately was stunned and disappointed when i heard gauthier a flunkie in quebec, in ottawa, in anaheim(check out his past terrible trades) gets hired shortly after as assistant gm. something smelled rotten. then i learn gauthier and boivin went to school together. then timmins who worked for gauthier in ottawa gets hired for scouting. and just recently after firing a half dozen scouts gauthier announces that timmins will be here for a long long time.

    the only way this team will ever be a top team again is fire the lot of them. was no surprize to me that boucher was happy to get out of here as soon as possible. he knows he will be first in line for head coach here as soon as the organization here is completely swept out the door.

  28. God you guys it’s july for cryin out loud lightin up. Me i’m goin to meet the HOBO, we were goin to go to the dump to either look at rats or nice chicks commin from the big smoke but we figured that maybe a satuday morn.might be better.so we’re goin for a ride instead……..Rugger

  29. THE FIRST STEP GAUTHIERS SCHOOLHOOD BUDDY!

    Breaking news

    On Monday, the Habs announced the resignation of longtime president Pierre Boivin, effective at the end of next June. Boivin will remain the club’s president until that time, when he will hand the reigns to newly appointed president and CEO Geoff Molson, also the team’s owner.

  30. You make some really good points Bill and I can see you’re a keen observer and have done lots of research. And you certainly are a passionate fan and I like that. I myself am by no means an expert and can learn a lot by reading comments such as yours and I thank you for the good discussion we’ve had.
    In some respects though, I don’t see the situation as being quite so black and white as you do.
    For example, the transaction to obtain Jarred Tinordi.
    Yes it’s true we had to give up our 27th and 113th pick to the Coyotes for Tinordi who was valued at the 22nd spot. I guess if you go by that table of values we overpaid in a sense to obtain him.
    But the sky won’t be falling as a result, in my opinion. Here’s why…
    Ranking players and assigning a value is at best an imperfect science. We have all seen top-ranked players turn out to be duds and major disappointments.
    The reverse is also true. Look at the player who was the 271st pick in 2003 — none other than Jaroslav Halak.
    So rankings are not absolutes. They are more or less a guideline based on educated guesses by experts/scouts who are only human. And the players themselves are humans who may or may not live up to their full potential.
    That being said, if it were simply a matter of quantifying a player’s value according to his placement on the rankings, then a computer or a trained chimp would be all you need to make the right picks on draft day.
    But there is another far more important factor at play.
    Tinordi may be of far greater value to the Canadiens strategically at this time and to have let him slip away may have dealt the team a setback. Maybe he is the proverbial missing piece of the puzzle. And if he is, the “book value” so to speak may have nothing to do with all of this.
    He does have great attributes — at only 17, he’s big 6’6″ 212 pounds and a physical player. And he captained Team USA to gold at the 2010 World Under-18 Championships.
    When you add it all up I think he will be a great addition especially alongside PK Subban. We will have years of great, exciting and inexpensive service (way less than $10 million/year).
    Yes we gave something of value up to get him. But you don’t get nothing for nothing.
    And I believe Tinordi along with Avstin, Boyle, Eller and Schultz are building blocks. Because of these smart additions the future bodes well for the Habs.
    Yes, mistakes have been made along the way by Bob Gainey, and things are certainly not ideal. But I think the glass is way more than half full.
    I could be totally out to lunch on this of course and only time will tell.
    And that’s my $00.02 worth.

  31. they really use those numbers when they trade picks. to move up just 5 spots so late in the first round and coupling it with a trade of a 2nd for a 5th which are so far apart is ridiculous and the numbers show it. i read these figures last year that said the vast majority of nhl players who played at least 500 games in the league were drafted in the first 3 rounds. of course its a crapshoot anyway but habs had 2 chances of those 3(they already traded away their 3rd rounder) now they have 1 chance in 3 to get such a plasyer. this after for years trading away high picks in the second round and even the first for tanguay and for players who lasted only months here and now next years #2 is lost because moore is not to be resigned. i want this team to be good again, they wont be with that clique running them. todays boivin move means the others will follow if and when this team starts playing poorly. they have done a terrible job here in my opinion.

  32. Bill, are you sure Boivin being replaced next year is a performance issue, or was it for another re-structuring reason?

  33. Probably both. Molson can do the job himself but I think if I and many think Boivin heads up that clique Molson can also see it. Usually when a new owner comes in he brings a new GM, coach and system in, but here they only took over control well into the season when the deal finally got done. Gainey played for his family, but when they said he stepped aside the writing was on the wall and he seemed to fall on the sword for the rest of them but never left either and the media never questioned him as to “when are you leaving the team?” After the great playoff run Halak saved the lot of them their jobs so what do they do? They trade him away for a rookie in a rush. I guarantee you Molson knows they only won 24 games in regulation, got 88 points lowest amount to ever make the playoffs under this system, 47% win percentage all year, finished 19th in the NHL and went 9-10 in the playoffs. If this team struggles the rest of them will be outta here this season or at end of season. Just my opinion.

  34. Bill are you a habs fan? I’m a hockey fan I don’t what part of the country you live in but I go to Montreal all the time and it was a well known fact halak was going to be traded at seasons end #1 he wanted to be traded#2he was too small and was only good for short stretches befor he ran out of steam as wittnessed in the last round+rememberthe habs made into the playoffs buy one point and went deep,but don’t overlook the fact that the flyers got in on a shootout and look where they went

  35. @Headley

    Bill are you a habs fan? I’m a hockey fan I don’t what part of the country you live in but I go to Montreal all the time and it was a well known fact halak was going to be traded at seasons end

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    Yes I am a Habs fan and for a long long time and I am in Montreal – and the only well known fact was Gainey and Gauthier have been obsessed that there great #5 pick 5 years ago is a “thoroughbred”! Gauthier at the phony Gainey retorement press conference even said or lied (para.) “we are going to keep both goalies” when questioned.

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    #1 he wanted to be traded

    His agent asked at the time he was not being used (para.) “play Halak or trade him” way before Gainey even faked stepping down from the 2 man GM management team.

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    #2he was too small and was only good for short stretches befor he ran out of steam as wittnessed in the last round+rememberthe habs made into the playoffs buy one point and went deep,but don’t overlook the fact that the flyers got in on a shootout and look where they went

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    Short stretches? Only reason Habs even got in is because his record over a similar LONG stretch was so much better than Price’s over about the same time. The ones who ran out of steam were the Habs players who got shutout 3 times even with a minor league goalie in the Flyers net.

    Carey Price
    2009-2010 Canadiens 41 13 20 – 5 0shutouts .912sv% 2.77gaa

    Jaroslav Halak
    2009-2010 Canadiens 45 26 13 – 5 5shutouts .924sv% 2.40gaa

    Jaroslav Halak at .924 save percentage is #4 goalie in the NHL
    Carey Price at .912 save percentage is the #21 goalie in the NHL

  36. Wow, you guys have a nice discussion going on.

    I wanted to say thanks Danno for your nice post (the one made on July 3rd, 2010 at 6:33 pm). It put the loss of Ellis in a new light for me. And I whole heartedly agree about the Avtsin’s desire to play for us. It seems to be rare for our rookies to want to play for us, choosing college over the CH so often.

  37. @habby

    It seems to be rare for our rookies to want to play for us, choosing college over the CH so often.

    gainey gauthier and the habs even before them have made a point of drafting high school or college players in the usa in the first round purposely avoiding juniors from canada who are so much closer to playing in the nhl. of the last 10 habs 1st round or first picks 7 from usa, one from belarus and two chipchura and price from western canada.

    2000
    1. Ron Hainsey – 1st round, 13th overall (University of Mass-Lowell)

    2001
    1. Mike Komisarek – 1st round, 7th overall (University of Michigan)

    2002
    1. Christopher Higgins – 1st round, 14th overall (Yale University)

    2003
    1. Andrei Kostsitsyn – 1st round, 10th overall (HC CSKA, Russia)

    2004
    1. 18th overall – Kyle Chipchura, C , Prince Albert Raiders , WHL

    2005
    1 5 Carey Price G WHL Tri-City Americans

    2006
    1 – 20 David Fischer D Minneapolis, MN USHSW Apple Valley

    2007
    1 – 12 Ryan McDonagh D St. Paul, MN Cretin-Derham HS USHSW
    1 – 22 Max Pacioretty LW New Canaan, CT Sioux City USHL

    2008
    1 – 25 Traded + 2009 2nd rounder to Cal for Alex Tanguay + 2008 5th rounder
    2 – 56 Danny Kristo RW Edina, MN USA U-18 USHL

    2009
    1 – 18 Louis Leblanc C Omaha QC USHL

    2010
    1 – 22 Jarred Tinordi D USA U-18 USHL

  38. Bill, I’m waiting for the day now when I see a nice, hapy essay from you instead of the usual doom and gloom.

  39. They traded down from #16 in 2006 to draft Fischer at #20 now they will get a #50 in 2011 who might play in 2015 and these bozos Gainey, Gauthier and Timmins still have theier jobs?

    Everything works together and huge part of your cap picture is the players you draft and develop and have on entry level contracts but Gainey and Gauthier have been terrible in drafting. Plus the pair traded away so many first 2 round picks. The two previous years they traded a #1 and a #2 for Tanguay, a #2 for Schneider and a #2 for Lang – 4 high picks for 3 players who only played months for the Habs then were gone. This year the same and gave up a #2 for Moore isn’t resigned. Plus traded up in the 1st round by giving away this year’s #2.

    These two GMs also traded away #1 Higgins, #1 Komisarek, #2 Ribeiro, #1 Hainsey on a blunder by not knowing they had no more protection for him and lost him as he was claimed by Columbus, #3 Beauchemin left unprotected and was lost – all of them drafted by the previous regime.

    Of their own drafting since 2003 the two GMs traded away #2 Latendresse, will lose #1 Fischer who they never signed and traded away #1 Ryan McDonagh(12th overall).

    Trading away the team MVP for an American League player so you can continue with your 5 year obsession that Price was a great pick of yours at #5 in 2005 is sheer lunacy.

    When they are fired!

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